Q&A from "Plastic Surgery: Are you off your head?"
Wise Readers,
Just how far-reaching is the beauty bias? Are men’s beauty standards even higher than Hollywood’s? Can plastic surgery work against you? Can quirky good looks work for you? And what’s the guy’s perspective?
Read on!
From Joan N.: —What about actresses whose plastic surgery hurt their careers—or whose quirky good looks didn’t hurt? And do cute criminals get lighter sentences?—
Brilliant article - love it. How surprising even the Harvard dudes [from Kalick’s experiment discussed in the article] didn’t object: “Hey, I only have a photo, I can’t rate anything but physicality here.” I would hope that society is moving away from categorizing folks based on anything but contributions and character, but in the mating realm it seems that evolutionary predispositions still rule.
I’m wondering about the movie actresses who elect not to fix their faces. Barbara Streisand’s nose is trademark and legendary. Ditto for Lauren Hutton’s gapping front teeth. And Jennifer Grey, from “Dirty Dancing”, had a nose job thinking it would lead to more movie roles, but it backfired and she received less.
Maybe being appealing for movie roles is different from being generally appealing for marriage minded men …?
PS: Thanks for the supporting research. I don’t like that thing about 5th grade teachers assuming the cuter kids are brighter kids. I think judges do the same thing. The cuter criminals couldn’t have possibly done the crime … Parallel? Bah.
Duana’s response: —Symmetry rules, but when does a person really need plastic surgery?—
Joan, thank you, and that’s an interesting idea about Hollywood actors who’ve elected against cosmetic surgery, or had it without the desired career boost. Movie standards are, if anything, far more stringent than most marriage-minded men when it comes to requiring beauty; whereas in real life, men and women alike know what Ideal Beauty looks like, but they usually *seek* a partner with looks equivalent to their own, Hollywood is catering to fantasy and therefore is a lot less willing to compromise.
So back to your question. I think in Streisand’s case she was famed and beloved as a singer before her movies, which gave her an in. Not sure about Hutton and Grey. I would point out, though, that Hutton and Grey were both beautiful, both symmetrical—just without being totally conventional about it.‘Butterface’ http://www.lovesciencemedia.com/love-science-media/butterface.html is about a lack of proportion and symmetry rather than the presence of conventional beauty.
Which brings up a point I’ve been thinking about. It was clear to me that plastic surgery could help Grace. But most of the flaws people consider fixing are noticeable mostly to oneself, and aren’t deal-breakers for the world at large. Do those folks really need surgery?
I received a letter recently, for instance, from a woman who wants liposuction because her waist is not exactly 30% smaller than her hips. Yet the .7 WHR (waist-hip ratio) is merely the ideal, the maximally beautiful—it does not follow that a woman with slightly less hourglass proportions is going to have any more trouble attracting a mate than most people do. Similarly, if you’re going to appear naked in a magazine, it’ll help to have symmetrical, evenly matched breasts and/or a good airbrush artist; otherwise, though, most women have one boob larger than the other, and it’s not stopping them from finding true love. (Note: ‘Boob’ is not clinical jargon.)
Finally, you’re right, the beauty bias cuts across all of life, or at least all of life that’s been studied so far. These findings aren’t just correlational—they’re experimental, yielding cause-effect. Beauty *causes* better outcomes.
To wit, your example of justice. There’s an entire experimental area in social psychology devoted only to legal matters. Repeated experiments find that when you expose one randomly-assigned jury to a plain defendant, and another to a good-looking defendant, the cuter criminal is:
—less likely to be found guilty
—less likely to receive jail time
—more likely to get the harsher sentence—including the death penalty.
Justice is not blind.
So anytime someone pooh-poohs plastic surgery, or claims that looks don’t matter, mine own eyes glaze over. Looks matter. And perhaps only the great-looking could fail to see it.
From Tom: —What this man looks for in Beauty (It needn’t be ideal)—
One man’s perspective - it’s important for a woman considering facial plastic surgery to keep some caveats in mind. These are my opinions:
— Every man may be different in what he prefers or finds irresistible. But there are certainly some basics. (I’ll get to ‘em, I think).
— If there are a preponderance of good facial features, and the one unusual feature isn’t *too* unusual … leave it alone. If a man smiles when he gazes into your face and doesn’t avert his eyes, you are *fine*, just leave yourself be. Think Jennifer Grey, who was awesomely pretty *and* unique pre-work.
— Smoother, tighter, puffier is *not* usually better. Sweet Baby Jesus save us from the Meg Ryan lips and the Botox faces.
— I recently joined Match.com as a means of seeing who’s available in my area, and seeing how *my* profile played with women (now that’s another story). But I am clearly screening out “un-pretty” women in favor of “pretty” women when I respond automatically to the profiles I see. The only written info that even matters is when they are either un-intelligent or purposely rude.
What makes a woman’s face pretty? Her smile. Yes, symmetry. Big bright eyes. Lips that are not too little, not too big. Rounded contours - doesn’t have a “mannish” appearance (I’ve seen some of those and they scare me, sorry). A haircut that is stylish.
And then somehow I always end up looking at her chest ;-)
Duana’s response: —Making the unusual beautiful; and ethnicity and the politics of nose jobs—
Tom, thank you for a man’s perspective. From my own research-delving and feminine points of view, I agree with everything you said.
I particularly like your position that there are some individual differences in what a particular man—or woman— will prefer. After all, everyone can experience someone who is widely acknowledged to be gorgeous but who is not our personal cup o’ chai. I could look at Liv Tyler ‘til my eyes fell out, while acknowledging that other, similarly-gorgeous faces do little for me.
Most research shows that most of us, most of the time, find the most beautiful person to be the person with the facial aspects representing the average of what you’d get if you could mathematically calculate typical features. But moving on with the Liv Tyler thing, that particular actress has some features that are a bit larger than most people’s, and in that sense the features aren’t perfectly average.
Which brings us to another of your points I appreciate: Just because a feature is not perfectly ‘normal’ doesn’t mean it requires plastic surgery. Grey’s nose was good as-was. Tyler’s lips are luscious. Just because their features are unusual doesn’t make them un-lovely. Indeed, those very features can be what makes them distinctive and appealing.
Which brings me to something that has cropped up in my private mail from Wise Readers: ethnicity and the politics of nose jobs.
I’ve received some notes from black women who’ve asked me *not* to publish their letters because they feared reprisals from those who might take their desire for rhinoplasty as a condemnation of the wider noses typical among African Americans. They wanted me to know that they wanted a nose-job, not as a means of erasing their racial and ethnic heritage, but because their particular nose was not proportionate to their particular face.
Literally and figuratively, that seems fair enough to me. My personal taste is offended by an ethos that would say we all need to look just alike, or that one race’s standard of beauty should be the standard for all. I likewise oppose pressuring people not to have surgery because it might offend members of their own group. Just my two cents~no research I’ve looked into on that.
From Undisclosed: —Rhinoplasty gone right—
I hope Grace takes your advice. My roommate in college…had a nose job the summer after our freshman year. Her case was similar to Grace’s – excellent package, except a huge, crooked nose threw the whole equation off. After the nose job, I could tell she felt better about herself and less self-conscious. That one piece of editing transformed her whole appearance. Some months after the nose job (a gift from her mother), my roommate attracted the serious intentions of one Mr. Greenberg. Eventually, she married into the very wealthy Greenberg family… Though I lost contact with her, I hope she lived happily ever after.
Duana’s response: —The Beautiful really are more self-confident—and heightened confidence should be an outcome of plastic surgery—
Undisclosed, thank you for that story. As it happens, more beautiful people are often a bit more confident in reality. Having been treated better all of their lives may translate into social skills that are a bit smoother, the academic thinking goes. And as most of us probably know even without the research, self-confidence is sexy.
So looking better and finding that the world is more responsive and desirous of one, post-op, aren’t the only outcomes we’d hope for from cosmetic surgery. We’d also want the newly-prettier to develop more self-confidence. I’m happy for your former roommate that she got all these results!
Cheers,
Duana
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All material copyrighted by Duana C. Welch, Ph.D., and LoveScience Media, 2012, 2013
Related LoveScience articles:
Plastic Surgery (the article to which this Q&A refers): http://www.lovesciencemedia.com/love-science-media/plastic-surgery-are-you-off-your-head.html
Butterface: why some men pick one kind of physical type to have a fling with~another to make a lifetime with http://www.lovesciencemedia.com/love-science-media/butterface.html
Butterface Q&A: http://www.lovesciencemedia.com/love-science-media/qa-from-butterface.html
Why men say they hate makeup, and why women should wear it anyway:http://rachelrabbitwhite.com/do-men-prefer-women-with-make-up/
Women as sex objects: http://www.lovesciencemedia.com/love-science-media/women-as-sex-objects-youth-beauty-and-beating-the-odds.html
The author wishes to thank the following scientists and sources:
Thanks to David Myers for the synopsis of Michael Kalick’s Harvard University dissertation, “Plastic surgery, physical appearance, and person perception,” which is unpublished.
Ellen Berscheid and Elaine Hatfield (formerly Walster), for identifying the physical attractiveness stereotype (the stereotype that what is beautiful is good and that beautiful people are over-all better people), and launching research on its extent in the 1970’s.
Margaret Clifford and Elaine Hatfield (Clifford and Walster, 1973) for an experiment showing that 5th-grade teachers believe an attractive child more intelligent and successful in school than a less-attractive child with an identical biography.
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Reader Comments (2)
Duana - I am may be in the minority but I think the beauty bias is truly in the eye of the beholder...the women themselves. While every man has likes and dislikes I think its women's competiveness that drives them for seeking approval. If your occupation, organization or relationship places outward beauty as the priority that is the real flaw.
I was married to a woman who worked for a well known and successful plastic surgeon. One of the perks for working for him was he provided a free procedure after 2yrs tenure with the company. (A great retention incentive as well as having walking testimonials for nose jobs, breast implants, lipo etc) And like my wife at the time, rarely did they only want the one procedure. One thing they'd like to change became two and so on....
If you are already an actress (Like Grey or Tyler) or already in the relationship with the guy, it seems odd to feel the need to change something that you already got without doing or needing that change.
A wish list is different from a do list. Even the most beautiful diamond has flaws. And someone will want another one and someone else will cherish it as-is. Maybe the woman who got the nose job would've met the man and fell in love without the nose job. But maybe it was her confidence in herself and not her looks that he liked most. Something he may have liked if she had her former nose if she had the same personality. We will never know. But what I do know is I've dated a woman who fit the profile of gorgeous (Arm candy) and she was very insecure about her looks. Never feeling she was attractive enough. And I've dated a woman who was overweight but you couldn't tell her she wasn't the most beautiful person in the world. She loved herself and it made her even more attractive how comfortable she was in her skin.
I get boyish when I see Halle Berry on screen but I have never needed the woman I meet on the street to look like her or act like her. Big, small, fat or tall is all relative. Don't undo you, just be ok with you is my motto.
Great read and discussion as always!
Dear Tony,
You are brilliant. What you said is beautiful.
It's probable that the reason women obsess over beauty is because men prize it, and women compete for men. Sadly, this facet of evolutionary psychology, like others, has no 'off' switch. There's no point where most women think, "Hey, I won the man I love, I have children, my life is great--so my looks are just fine, thanks." (Or as I like to say, The only women who love their hair are 70-year-olds who love the hair they used to have.)
So you're right. Most women have a wish list. Few of them need to turn it into a to-do list. Thank you for sharing your perspective, experiences, and insights.
Cheers,
Duana